Friday, 10 October 2025

Relationships

 

Relationships

It was interesting to read comments on yesterday’s post. They pre-empted much of today’s post, but repetition and labouring a point have never stopped me in the past!

When I was growing up it was common for children to have less interaction with adults who were not part of the family. It was not a case of being seen but not heard, as in Victorian times, but children were not expected to participate in conversations unless invited to do so, and then it was a case of answering questions politely and not advancing ideas of one’s own.

If adults were addressed by children, it was as Mr or Mrs followed by the surname. Adult family friends might be called Auntie or Uncle. My parents were so busy trying to keep a small business afloat that they rarely had time to see old friends. Regular customers often became friends in a stratified sense, but given names were never used, even if visits were made to each other’s homes. I remember still Mrs Trimm, whose husband was in business, and Mrs Shearer, a rather lonely lady who had a lot of problems and depended on my parents for kindness and support. Miss Spriggs was an elegant lady, in whom I was in awe. Captain ? had been a Japanese prisoner of war and was accorded much respect.

I don’t remember honorary Aunties and Uncles and had no aunts and uncles to call my own. My only uncle lived in Canada. I met him once, and I never met my only cousin, his daughter.

As our parents grew older, it became apparent that the number of people addressing them by their first names was dwindling. In vain they tried to encourage us to change the habits of a lifetime and call them by their names, but it was difficult. I did manage to start calling my mother-in-law by her first name and continued that for the rest of her life.

My sister was fifteen years older than me, and I became an aunt when I was eleven years old. Of course, I was never going to be Auntie Janice, so my nieces and nephews called me Janice, or variations of that – Danice was a regular one.

Why do we persist with relationship titles? I have known children who call their parents by their given names and that makes sense, for that is what they hear their parents call each other. Auntie and Uncle sound strange to me on a child’s tongue because it was something with which I was unfamiliar. I had no living grandparents, either, so that was another relationship with which I had no experience.

If we insist on those titles, and some do, why do we not call our spouses Husband or Wife, and encourage children to call each other Cousin, or Sister, or Brother? What about Great-Aunt, Great-Grandfather, Second Cousin, Brother-in-law?

It is a matter of respect, it is claimed, but respect is something that must be earned, not given as of right. My youngest daughter attended a Quaker secondary school, where everyone was addressed by their first names – staff, students, governors, parents (though a few parents kicked hard against it!) There was no lack of respect for those who deserved it, and a healthy disregard for those who didn’t.

Long before I married, I decided that I never wanted to be called ‘Grandma.’ I didn’t ever want to reach a stage in life when no-one called me by my name. The battle is still fought in some quarters of my family. The grandchildren have reached a compromise with their mother. They address me by my name, and refer to me as ‘Grandma’ when  they speak to her.

Strangely enough, the one who is uncomfortable with my decision does not allow herself to be called Grandma, either. She has chosen Oma, the German form for Grandmother, but pronounces it differently. Her children, all now parents, encourage their children to use Auntie and Uncle, and I don’t know what adult friends are called. It’s confusing.

I like the Danish form of grandparental nomenclature. Mormor is the maternal grandmother – Mother’s mother - and Morfar is the mother’s father. Farmor is father’s mother and Farfar is the paternal grandfather. That’s straightforward. It doesn’t sound quite so easy in English, though - Mummum and Mumdad, Dadmum and Daddad, for example.

Perhaps we should adopt the Quaker custom and refer to everyone as ‘Friend.’

Perhaps I am out of step with everyone else, as usual.

45 comments:

  1. Our grandchildren asked us what we would like to be called and we said saba and Savta - in Hebrew. The other grandparents asked for Zayde and Bubba - in Yiddish. Both sides are delighted with the grandchildren still using these words of love, even in their 20s :)

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  2. Very interesting post.
    As a new 'grandmother' I chose to be called Nana. It was what I grew up calling my parents' parents and it just brings back lovely memories. I had an aunt and uncle who were friends of Mum's. I called a man Grandad Jack who was not actually related to me at all! I didn't know it until later, but my Nana Browes lived with a man without being married (must have been a scandal in those days lol). I don't think, as children, we actually understand some of those titles unless explained to them. I kind of like them, though. I think it's more of a tradition than anything.

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    1. Tradition is good when it means something and I suppose that's what my daughter is trying to retain.

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  3. We always called anyone unrelated to us by Mr. and Mrs. We never used Auntie or Uncle for anyone other than aunts and uncles.

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    1. That's quite formal in a country everyone else considers laid back.

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  4. My in laws call me by my first name. My kids use Dad. I prefer former students call me by my first name. Some former students are in their mid seventies!

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    1. Same here, except that I'm Mum to my children.

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  5. When I had children my Mum became Nanna, and K's Mum was Grandma, with his Grandmother being Granny. When I became a Grandmother, the Grandma and Nanna were still alive so I became Nanny, with the new Italian grandparents being Nonna and Nonno. K was Grandad. Now I am a great grandmother and am still Nanny.

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  6. My daughter is a foster carer and has two children of her own. All the children call me cuckoo as some of the fosterchildren have grandparents that they are still in contact with.

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    1. Oh, I love that! I'd love to be called cuckoo, but that's the sort of name that arises naturally. Well done to your daughter - it's not an easy task to be a foster carer.

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  7. Hawaiian culture calls many of the aunts, uncles and sort of relatives whether really directly related or not, as auntie and uncle. My mom hated that she had grandmother competition, and thus distinguished herself as Granny Lou. So, you can add a name to whatever your granny name is. Linda in Kansas

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    1. Some people do that here - Granny Annie, for example.
      In some African cultures, elders are called Auntie or Uncle, from respect and tradition.

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  8. I'm Nanna Sue to two grandchildren and just Nanna to the other three. Grandma sounds much too old!

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    1. It comes down to whatever you're comfortable with, in the end.

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  9. My grandmother was Oma (my mother was Dutch and disliked the sound of granny or grandma). My parents are still referred to an Oma and Opa by their grandchildren. I called my parents Mummy and Daddy until they died, but it sounded a bit weird referring to them that eay to strangers when when I am nearly 70 and they were around 90.

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    1. I have a friend who called her parents Mummy and Daddy until they died, and her children still call her and her husband Mummy and Daddy. I thought it was an Irish tradition.

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  10. Our two younger grandchildren are just understanding mum has another name which we use, they think it funny to call Su when they are here at our house, using mum everywhere else. The titles are fading here, I hardly ever hear the term Mrs...... it always Christian names. I'm a Nanna to the younger ones and Nan to the older, with our eldest (19) calling me little nan.

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  11. I don't have children / grandchildren so am just plain JayCee to everyone, although my niece's two little ones call me Auntie, which I quite like. Makes me feel special.

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    1. I can imagine that making you feel all warm inside. I think I would have been the same.

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  12. My grandchildren either call me by name (which was a shock first time round) or granny. I was probably so shy as a child that I never talked to anyone!

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    1. I talked to anyone who would listen. I don't now.

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  13. I love the Danish system for grandparents. It sorts those names out for both sides of the family. You know immediately who they're talking about. The older generation in Greece used titles for just about everyone or nicknames. Some not very nice. The younger generations just use first names and I'm happy about that. I'm Nana or Linda

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    1. I'm happy with informality so long as it's not disrespectful and somehow you know when someone's being rude, even if they smile insincerely!

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  14. I have always hated Nana and yet that is what my granddaughter calls me. According to her mother she was the one who chose that but I don't believe it since a child would not know that word unless they were taught it. It's grown on me and I'm ok with it now

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    1. It's hard to change it, as we discovered with our parents.

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  15. In Sweden we have the same "grandparental nomenclature" as in Denmark, i.e. mormor/morfar vs farmor/farfar. We also follow the same pattern when it comes to aunts and uncles: moster/morbror vs faster/farbror. - In my childhood, for addressing friends of our parents, one used "tant" vs "farbror" (+name). (I suspect that these days the tant/farbror titles are very rarely used.)
    My mum had one sister, whom in childhood I called "moster"(+name) - and her husband "morbror"(+name). (They're both still alive and ever since I reached adulthood, if not before, we've been on first name basis.) My dad had no siblings, but he had a male cousin who was almost like a brother to him, whom I called "farbror"(+name). In my childhood, my farmor & farfar lived very close to one of farmor's sisters and her husband. I called them "moster" and "morbror" because that's what they were to my father.
    As for the English nomenclature I've always found it confusing as there seems to be no logic in who is called for example Grandma vs Nana.

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    1. . . . or Nanny! When we came back from Germany and I was teaching in Reading, I was very confused by how many children had 'nannies.' It took me a while to realise they meant their grandmothers.

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  16. Grandma, Granny, Gran, Nanny and Nan sound so much more affectionate for grandchildren to say than Janice.

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  17. My maternal Grandmother demanded she be called "Grandmother". My paternal Grandmother was fine with Grandma. But never by name! I know I was never allowed to call the neighbor women by their first names even though they were friends with Mother.

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    1. My parents were friendly with their next-door neighbours for years, but never called them by their given names. Times change.

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  18. I wanted to be nanny because that is what my dear mum always was to her grandchildren.......however it seems it's not as simple as that.......
    So I'm usually either granny or grandma Ali...... which for me sound hopelessly harsh and old fashioned 😆
    Growing up we had lots of aunties and uncles who were not actually related to us and I'm strangely averse to children calling their parents anything other than mum and dad.
    Very interesting to read your post NS everyone's comments
    Alison in Devon x

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    1. It is the associations we make with certain names that make them difficult for us to adopt. Surely we can't be old enough for those names!!

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  19. I love being called Grampa or Buppa. But then I got used to being called Sir for three decades.

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    1. Buppa's rather fun. Barry has no strong feelings either way, but has accepted and quite likes being called by his name.

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  21. I have never given such matters much thought. I am proud to be called Grandpa by my three grandchildren and of course my son and daughter call me Dad. In these ways, I guess I am a bit of a traditionalist. When I passed my eleven plus, I earned a scholarship to a posh direct grant school in Hull. There - all boys were referred to by their surnames only. This even carried on in the playground. I hated it and still feel irked if anybody addresses or refers to me by my surname.

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  22. I worked with someone who considered herself quite well-to-do. Her three sons went to Wellington and were known as Surname Major, Surname Minor and Surname Minimus. I don't know if they each moved up a rank as brother/s left the school.
    My father, when in the Royal Navy, considered it an honour for his Captain to call him by his surname. Strange times.
    I call Barry by his surname sometimes, for fun.

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  23. I really wanted to be called Granny because of a wonderful granny who was such a rock in the lives of her grandchildren especially when her daughter died. So I love my title.

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  24. Hmm... like Neil, I have never given much thought to this matter. For example, my Mum is "Mama" and my Dad was "Papa", but of course my sister and I knew their given names from when we were little. For me, there is only ONE person I call "Mama", but if I knew more than one woman with the same surname, there would be several I'd call by the same name, while "Mama" is reserved for that one person and nobody else - it's a role, not a name, and I was well aware of that from a very early age.
    When I was a kid in the 1970s, it was the same as you describe, that many children called adult friends of their parents "auntie" and "uncle". We never did that; my parents explained to us that we did have real aunts and uncles, our Mum and Dad's brothers and sisters, but nobody else was really our aunt or uncle. Close friends of our parents we addressed with their given name, acquaintances were "Herr" and "Frau" followed by their surname.
    (And being German, of course my grandparents were Oma and Opa, although I knew perfectly well that their names were Else and Erich.)

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