Thursday, 9 October 2025

Presumption

 

Presumption

A presumption can be anything from a guess to effrontery. What a useful word it is.

Many times, when one ‘phones for advice, or appointments, or complaints there is a point in the foothills of the conversation when details have been ascertained, that the following occurs: ‘Is it alright if I call you . . . ?’  Of course, in our house, we’re only too pleased to have this verisimilitude of social contact. Perish the day when no-one calls us by our names!

Anyway, this morning, Barry, rather grumpy, had occasion to call someone about something or other that had not been followed up, which was the cause of his irritability.

As usual, one call led to another, and his mood lightened as carefully-trained operatives or representatives – the title varies between companies – metaphorically smoothed his fevered brow.

 At one point, a cheerful young lady from Merseyside answered the ‘phone and inevitably came the inquiry, ‘Is it alright if I call you Harry?’

Oops! Barry is never rude, but his robust response was, ‘You certainly may not call me Harry. My name is Barry,’ which caused me to have a fit of the giggles.

By the end of the call, if they weren’t exactly swapping telephone numbers, they had established a friendly bond of understanding. It amazes me how  conversations can travel from business-like to personal so quickly.

Sometimes, it is unclear how people expect to be addressed. Our vets and all the staff at the practice introduce themselves by their given names and that is how we address them. The staff at our dental practice are similarly unambiguous. On the other hand, doctors and consultants occupy the middle ground. Some invite a friendlier connection, while others, perhaps a little shyer, are indeterminate and appear to stand on their dignity. I always go for the formal address, while Barry opts for more casual.

Sometimes, presumption takes the upper hand. On one occasion, I was waiting at the railway station late at night for Barry to return from London. I was listening to the radio when suddenly the passenger door was wrenched open, and a man abruptly uttered an address and told me to take him there. I spluttered and said, ‘I’m not a taxi,’ whereupon he apologised and withdrew.

 I don’t think quickly in the moment and wished later that I’d said something like, ‘Certainly, I can take you there, but I don’t know what my husband will say.’

Oh, the witty responses I could make, if only I could think fast enough.

70 comments:

  1. I INSIST THAT FORMER STUDENTS CALL ME BY MY FIRST NAME!

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  2. That's hilarious! You should have started asking him details about the directions etc, till he got annoyed then realized it wasn't a taxi! Too late now

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  3. Most of my best retorts come after the fact.

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    1. . . . often in the middle of the night . . .

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  4. Don't we all wish that we could come up with those witty replies in the moment? Mine usually come late at night, in bed, while I'm trying to fall asleep.

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  5. In primary school, all teachers were called Miss, Mrs or Mr... in fact I didn't know they even HAD first names. And the teachers said that if we spoke to our friends' parents and grandparents, they too had to be addressed as Mrs etc.
    People would find that hilarious today.

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  6. Most of us are all so clever with a witty or sarcastic riposte, after it is too late. I used to be a little hard lined about how to address someone. It was either Mr/Mrs/Ms until invited to use their first name, and I expected to be treated the same. But manners need updating at times to modern standards, and given my age now where there are many fewer people older than me, I don't really care any more. However, when my tenants met my neighbour HH, in advance I asked them to call the 79 year old Mrs H*****, which they did, and she straight away laughed and said, call me H.

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  7. That's how my brain works too - next day out walking the dog, and out comes the better version. Unaware my brain had even been scrolling through the options. How does it do that? My brother on the other hand is masterful at the clever come back. As for names - my given name is Denise but my family call me Fred and so ingrained is that name they forget when referring to me in conversations with third parties (who know me by my given name) that 'Fred' introduces some mighty confusions.

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    1. I have known some who are very quick to respond wittily. Your brother is one of the lucky ones. Fred and Denise don't seem to have much common ground as names go! Were you the youngest? I've heard others say they always called the youngest Fred.

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  8. Fun to read Barry’s retort. Now that would be a wonderful retort from you but I wouldn’t and haven’t thought any up either. In the space of one week we had two days of heavy, torrential rains, this going back several years. Husband was driving, he parked and I sat in the car. On each occasion a strange man jumped into the driver side, looked at me in utter shock as I looked at him wide-eyed and gaping mouthed, he jumped out of the car as fast as he jumped in, each man was totally soaked with rain. I insisted husband lock me in for ever more. Hasn’t happened since.

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    1. That's quite startling, to say the least. I now always lock the car door if I'm alone in the car.

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  9. I was brought up with the belief that to use Mr or Mrs, rather than a first name, was polite, but I think that's all fallen by the wayside now. I think most people prefer to be called by their given name, Mr or Mrs is too formal in the society in which we now live. Oh yes, we all come up with the perfect retort after the event, if only we could think on the spot.

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    1. Life is generally more relaxed and casual now.

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  10. Neighbours etc were always called Auntie or Uncle even when they were no relation at all - how confusing it would be now.

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    1. It still happens in some areas and different cultures.

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  11. We used Mr and Mrs for all grownups, Aunt and Uncle only for 'real' aunts and uncles, Cousin for more distant adult relatives. There were very few exceptions; just godparents and close family friends...

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  12. I'm a slow thinker in situations, and often moments later have a witty replay I could have used.

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  13. I always think of a good response way too late.

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  14. In Sweden, we had a language "reform" in the late 1960s, which made using our equivalents of Mr/Mrs/Miss + surname very uncommon. It's known as "du-reformen" because it also involved stopping to address individuals with the formal "ni" (now only used in plural). Nowadays, it's really only members of the royal family that one can't address with "du" - but on the other hand, not with "ni" either. And in some contexts that one wants to keep formal (like in the Parliament), the full name is now used instead (but without Mr/Ms). In common workplaces etc, though, everyone is usually on first name basis right from start.

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    1. That's very interesting and must make life a lot simpler.

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  15. I realized about a decade ago that strangers on the telephone no longer called us by our last name when they spoke to us. They just jumped right in and called us by first names without permission. In the beginning I did not like that but I've gotten used to that's just the way they are.

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    1. They're still asking permission here, but we Brits are a bit stiffer and more formal.

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  16. In French of course you have to say VOUS to an adult and TU to a child. And then you use the name. When I arrived here and we had the activities everybody said vous and the name. I was used to say the first name with friends and in my work. So I told them that I can keep in mind these mostly flemish names starting all with Vander...and ....? I started to call everybody by the first name and not even 6 month later everybody started with first names and "tu" ! That gives a familiar feeling. Nobody protested and now it's just the use.

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    1. Well done - you revolutionised the French!

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  17. I remember a friend who suggested my children call her auntie, and without thinking I said Oh no, they already have too many aunties. Looking back now I probably offended her though she didn't show it.

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    1. We had a neighbour who insisted my children called her Auntie, which annoyed me, since they didn't call their actual Aunties by that title.

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  18. A curse to have your brain stuck in shock when something happens and you can't come up with a witty response until hours later. Been there.

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  19. That happened to Husband once when he was picking Daughter up from a nightclub. A drunk young man got in the back. I shouldn't think his response was as polite as yours.

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    1. He's a man, he's allowed to be rude . . . 🤣🥲

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  20. "verisimilitude " ... now that is a wonderful word. I must find an occasion to drop it into conversation soon and see if anyone notices!

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    1. Barry just read your comment and found it most amusing. I fear I am very pedantic!! 😟🙁

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    2. ps: he asked me what it meant, too, so obviously what I say to him, if he ever listens, is like Double Dutch.

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  21. You could have taken the gentleman for his ride and made a few extra coins while doing so!

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  22. Now there's a thought - not my style, though. 😉

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  23. I am thinking that I probably don’t address my doctor by name or otherwise. I think I just get on with the reason why I am there. But I think she comes in by saying, “Hello, What can I do for you today?” Or something like that.

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  24. Yes, that's often the routine.

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  25. I have trouble thinking on my feet.

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  26. I have trouble thinking . . .

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  27. Interesting. I call my doctor "Dr. ___". She calls me by my given name. Truly I have gone to her for more than a few decades so I doubt she would mind if I called her by her given name. Actually, all of my medical/dental people call me by given name. I don't mind. The address I hate is...when people (not medical people, as I think they know better) address me as "Honey" or "Dear" when I am NEITHER of those things to them. Makes my blood boil.

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    1. Endearments from strangers irritate me, too. I think they're trying to be friendly. I'd rather they didn't try!

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  28. I'm late to this but loved it!
    Alison in Devon x

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  29. if that happend here he might get shot. Florida is now open carry for guns, so not a good thing to jerk a door open. I am like you, after the fact I can come up with great comebacks but not instantly. because my husbands name is Robert, he is always ask does he prefer Bob or Robert and since he can't hear he doesn't answer. they look at me and I say, doesn't matter since he can't hear what you say. they all steer way from the last name because the don't know what to call it. like my Doctor last name is BhadhriHauck... say that one. we call her Doctore B. I love her first name, Anjuli

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  30. I'm glad we don't have guns in this country!!

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  31. This made me laugh...Our last name gets mispronounced all the time. I think it's an easy name to pronounce, but many people put great emphasis on the ending four letters. LARD

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    1. Once the wrong pronunciation is in someone's head, it's difficult to displace it!

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  32. "Harry" -- ha! And I'm astonished someone climbed into your car thinking you were a taxi. I think that would have terrified me. (If I had a car, which I don't, and now I'm glad.)

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    1. I made sure after that to lock the door when I was alone in the car.

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  33. As soon as I read Harry I thought that's wrong!!!

    My broadband played up recently and when I phoned was asked would it be alright to use my Christian name when speaking to me ... which they did and thankfully the glitch/issue was solved and in quite a friendly manner.

    All the best Jan

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    1. It does make transactions so much friendlier, somehow.

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  34. I recently ran into one of Middle Son's elementary school friends. Although I suggested he call me by my first name, he stuck with Mrs. [Surname].

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  35. I always think it witty responses after an encounter is over.

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  36. I always think of whitty responses AFTER the incident too Janice! I am never quite quick enough. I did laugh at the lady calling Barry Harry though 😉

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  37. ps ... love your new Header pic. Did Harry draw it ?? 😂😉

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  38. Metaphorically smoothing someone's fevered brow doesn't really come naturally to me, so I'm admiring those operatives, which must have an endless supply of patience! xxx

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  39. It's not something I'd be good at. I'm too impatient.

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