Thursday 30 May 2024

Salad Days

 

Salad Days

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In 1606, William Shakespeare’s play, Antony and Cleopatra, has Cleopatra lamenting her youthful passionate relationship with Antony. She says of that time, ‘My salad days, when I was green in judgment.’

Salad days were the days of our sometimes intemperate youth, when passion overruled reason and there was a degree of carefree innocence and unaccountability. How delicious it was to please ourselves, to have no responsibilities and to be able to play before the necessities of adult life took over, even though we may have considered ourselves quite mature.

The idiom became popular in the 1850s. Fowler’s Dictionary of Modern English Usage says:- ‘Whether the point is that youth, like salad, is raw, or that salad is highly flavoured and youth loves high flavours, or that innocent herbs are youth’s food as milk is babes’ and meat is men’s, few of those who use the phrase could perhaps tell us; if so, it is fitter for parrots’ than for human speech.’

I found that definition quite confusing – is salad highly flavoured? I suppose it can be. The reference to the phrase being better fitted to parrots’ speech suggests that it’s an idiom that is used without thought, and perhaps that is correct.

Sometimes, using the adjective ‘green’ implies inexperience or ignorance. ‘He’s young, no experience, a bit green.' In 1865, one person wrote the following, demonstrating the foolishness of (his) youth. He was trying to buy a horse and looked in the classified advertisements:-

 ‘Being in want of a horse at the time — it was in my salad days, reader — looked through the advertisements in The Times, and noticed one which at any rate promised well.’

 Today, ‘salad days’ refers to a time of life when a young person is full of energy and enthusiasm and potential. It no longer implies thoughtlessness or silliness.

There used to be a phrase, I think from the North of England, ‘I’m not as green as I’m cabbage-looking’. Here, green means inexperienced and cabbage-looking means uneducated, or simple. A cabbage is roughly the same size as a human head and cabbage and cabbage-head have long been terms of abuse for a dullard.

However, I have read that a more modern interpretation of green is used on TikTok. A ‘green person’ is someone who came into another person’s life and made a difference, maybe even saving them from themselves (!). A green person knows and understands you more than anyone else in your life. Green characterises progress and kindness.

Language evolves! and TikTok remains a mystery to me.

 

29 comments:

  1. What an interesting post! Where do you read about these things?

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    1. Curiosity drives me down many rabbit holes!

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  2. I thought, wrongly, that a green person was organic/natural/ garden out the back/ gluten free. I know nothing and know even less re: Tik tok.

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    1. That could be a very reasonable, modern interpretation. Well done :-)

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  3. When my family came from Russia, their main vegetables were potato, onion and cabbage. Anything delicate eg cucumber was pickled immediately.

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  4. I'll admit to being a bit of a cabbage-head. To me, "salad days" means mid to late summer when the heat is unbearable and no one wants to be cooking, so salads are eaten instead. I never had youthful "salad days" being in full time work at 17 and married at 18.

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    1. I like salad all year round - fresh, crisp and crunchy.

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  6. One of those phrases that has several different meanings. Salad is generally raw, not cooked, and we sometimes call people 'raw'.
    xx

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    1. Yes, raw in the sense of inexperienced, or raw meaning rough.

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  7. I didn't know that a simple cabbage meant so much! For me, someone who is "green" (usually said behind the ears) is immature and has no experience.

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    1. I always thought it just meant youthful.

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  8. Goodness me. Whoever said salads are boring!

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  9. I never knew where the phrase came from. I watched one Shakespeare play at a theatre in my teens and thought it was boring.
    A Greek salad is highly flavoured. While I don't use salt, I do like it and the salt from fetta and olives, never mind the dressing.
    Yes, as you say salad days is now a good thing, for us to remember.
    I've not heard the full phrase about cabbage, only 'I am not green'.
    Cabbage Head I do remember.
    I've tried Tik Tok and watched some things, but it is not for me. To me, a green person is environmentally concerned. That was interesting to stick up my sleeve.

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  10. You're in agreement with Linda Sue :-)

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  11. And there was me thinking salad days meant summer - the summer of our lives.

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    1. You can use it in any way you please, so long as it's clear :-)

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  12. I did A and C for A Level - some years ago - so I knew the quote. But what you say about "green" is also interesting. Language evolves...

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    1. I can never think of Antony and Cleopatra without seeing Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor!

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  13. Salad days have always meant summer days to me, although you can of course enjoy a salad any time of the year with vegetables being flown into our supermarkets from all around the world!

    BUT ... TikTok definitely remains a mystery to me.

    Another interesting read, thank you :)

    All the best Jan

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    1. Salad all year round for us - my favourite meal.

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  14. Muy interesante me gusta todo sobre lo que hablas de los dichos. Y a mi tampoco me gusta el tiktok. Te mando un beso.

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  15. What an interesting read. I was actually wondering about salad being highly flavoured, so I'm glad I wasn't the only one who had my doubts.
    I'm loving the expression '‘I’m not as green as I’m cabbage-looking", but had no idea about the Tik Tok interpretation of green. Tik Tok is a mystery to me as well, I must say! xxx

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  16. I like quirky sayings. (You may have noticed)
    There are so many social media outlets these days - I can cope with WhatsApp and Twitter (I refuse to call it X) but that's it!

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  17. Lots of interesting ideas here about salad days, cabbages and green. Rabbit holes are such fun to explore sometimes. I shall look forward to reading the phrase about "salad days" when D and I eventually reach the Shakespeare play on our marathon effort reading his plays.

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    1. I hope you enjoy it when you reach it:-)

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